We also discuss what to expect in 2020 — including much more international recruitment, new NHS legislation, capital funding, and Simon Stevens staying a little longer — and why NHS leaders can have hopes for a (slightly) better decade ahead.

You can listen above, on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and all the other popular podcast platforms.

Got feedback or something you would like us to discuss? Contact dave.west@wilmingtonhealthcare.com or @davewwest.