We ask the former Leeds Teaching Hospitals Trust chief executive why he moved to a national role, and what building a successful provider collaborative looks like in practice.

He also discusses the long haul of improvement facing the service, arguments for fundamental reform, and why we need NHS Providers. With HSJ’s Annabelle Collins, Dave West and Ben Clover.

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